zeldanig: an archive

[Nightingale 9]

Rather than an example, it's more following the rules and making sure people feel welcome here, by not scrutinizing them based on things like innocent, completely-neutral names like that and calling them idiots for it. I don't believe the forum should cater to its current userbase, especially not when we are trying to get more members. If you and the other users want to make it more comfortable for people like us--instigating, apathetic towards progress, xenophobic--then you have to kind of realize that the forum as a social hub is not healthy.

You're being a COMPLETE hypocrite right here. Right here. 

 

Just saying. Reread what you wrote with an open mind. It IS hypocritical since my name has NOTHING to do with NIGGER. And I NEVER said it did. You ALL assumed that. Then you changed it without my permission. That's rather UNACCEPTING of a COMPLETELY-NEUTRAL NAME. 

 

If you are "trying to get more members", it makes ZERO sense to bear down on a particular member who has done nothing wrong that the rest of the forums seem to like for some arbitrary reason that YOU or SOCIETY has deemed inappropriate. It's not inappropriate. NIG is not inappropriate. It was inappropriate of you to change my name. That was very rude and immature.

[Cascade 741]

All in all I don't understand what other reason there was put "nig" in your username aside from the racial connotations of it. I doubt it was really derived from niggling :/ You know it would be interpreted as nigger/nigga, you know it would offend someone, you know it can possibly paint a bad first impression of yourself? Why do people jump so hard on the WELL I WASN'T OFFENDED SO WHY DO THINGS NEED TO CHANGE TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE WHO COULD BE OFFENDED BY IT TOUGHEN UP argument on the internet? 

 

In general, (and this is not directed at zeldanig btw) why do people even use nigger/nigga to greet/refer to each other anyways. Like. what is the actual reason or need. apart from looking sOoOo EdGy. I just don't understand the point? It just makes you look like a bit of a prick to me so why would you. use it.

 

As long as new user gets to choose his new username. Then I think the right thing was done at the end of things.

[Sahaqiel 1232]

You're being a COMPLETE hypocrite right here. Right here. 

 

Just saying. Reread what you wrote with an open mind. It IS hypocritical since my name has NOTHING to do with NIGGER. And I NEVER said it did. You ALL assumed that. Then you changed it without my permission. That's rather UNACCEPTING of a COMPLETELY-NEUTRAL NAME. 

 

If you are "trying to get more members", it makes ZERO sense to bear down on a particular member who has done nothing wrong that the rest of the forums seem to like for some arbitrary reason that YOU or SOCIETY has deemed inappropriate. It's not inappropriate. NIG is not inappropriate. It was inappropriate of you to change my name. That was very rude and immature.

 

I am an administrator. If I deem it inappropriate, it's inappropriate. Our rules may be flimsy, but we still have them.

 

I could post several pictures of naked women in porn having sex under your connotations. ("I'm just showing the beauty of the human figure, I didn't mean for it to be erotic!") Your issue is that you weren't using an offensive context for something that could be taken offensively, and under the same logic, you could literally do anything and get away with it. So I'm not going to put up with it.

[Nightingale 9]

You're completely assuming and making an ass of yourself, not to mention following rules that YOU deem appropriate and bending others to your will.

 

It has NEVER stood for nigger, or even nigga, it is simply "nig." If you can't understand that, fine, but that's not my problem, that's yours. Get that? It's YOU who has a problem and are causing the issue. Not me. I just want to make that very clear.

 

"nig" is not a 3 letter word, because it isn't even a word. Go look it up. It doesn't exist. It's not fag (even that could be cigarette), it's nig. Which doesn't mean anything. You took your own meaning, you took offense, and you are blowing this out of proportion. 

 

I think people shouldn't worry about being so politically correct that they have to gang up on a new member over three letters put side by side in his name. THAT'S an issue, and I can completely see why this forum doesn't get a whole lot of new members. They see this shit and run for the hills.

[Cirt 612]

I'm just going to add that I agree with Chimetals that this should have been taken to PM before several users were involved. I am pretty sure we are able to lock topics to prevent these reactions from happening.

I am only concerned with zeldanig's perception of how foolish we all must look right now. I, too, liked him from the start but forum names are just forum names. I think SEVERAL users before this had much more obviously "inappropriate" names. I honestly didn't think or care what "nig" could have stood for.

I'd also like to hear from Tappy.

[Cascade 741]

Yeah, I also agree that this should've been handled via PM. It shouldn't have derailed this thread this hard.

 

so how 'bout dat pokemon rumble everyone

[Sahaqiel 1232]

I don't take offense to "nig" or "nigga". And this is a rare occurrence, that we have someone like you who starts something like this, because yeah, you started it, and no, no one is ganging up on you. Most of the people talking here support you, and I'm here to say you're just causing problems and being unreasonable about something that from this certain context, is a reasonable moderator action. The reason new users get scared off is because a few of our users hassle them if they think they're not mentally developed enough to hang out with the "in crowd", posting in RPs or making dumb-sounding posts. But they're not offensive, they're just dumb posts made by young users. We're intolerant of new people when they don't fit the apathetic, inflammatory sense of humor we have, and unfortunately, that's gone unchecked, and I've felt bad for it.

 

So imagine my reaction when I see everyone actively praising a guy because he's got a controversial name that could be taken offensively, and then turning around and defending that same person under the notion that his name doesn't have any bad intentions. We have a user named Fagdraig!, and that's gone unchecked too, and I still want him to change it, so the next time I see him around, I'll probably talk to him about it. "nig" IS short for "nigga", and I know, because I live near EAST SAINT LOUIS. Do you really honestly expect people to interpret it any other way? Do you think people commonly use words like "niggardly" or "niggling" and contract that to "nig"? "You should really stop nig. him"? I'll be honest, I gave you the benefit of the doubt that your name might be foreign or something, which is why I asked about your username origin in the AMA thread, but you've proven that you know what it is and you're steadfast in causing drama over something this petty. If you want a name change, respond to my PM. That's it.

[King Dusk 1]

Plot twist: ZN is Saha.

 

I would also like to point out that as Nightingale, his name still has (and starts with!) "nig".

Edited 21 Mar 2013 by King Dusk (see edit history)

[Nightingale 9]

The fact that you think I started this says a lot about you.

 

I haven't been offensive.

 

You're being unreasonable.

 

Yes, I expect you to give me the benefit of the doubt, since you know nothing and assume everything.

 

Arguing with you is tiring. 

[Cascade 741]

I think everything's been said that can possibly be said by both "sides". This is probably not going to get back on-topic now. I'm locking this. If everyone wants to continue this discussion then take it to PM, thanks. Zeldanig, if you want to get a username that you've chosen for yourself, ask Saha or another admin via PM. I do hope you stick around, though.

[Du5t1n 57]

wut wut in the butt.

 

Zeldanig, you may not have intended to be offensive with your name but some people obviously are going to take offense.  It would be pretty cool if "nigger" or similarities were not associated with the negativity and hate that came to be associated with them.  Sadly we do not live in this world because assholes like to use words to convey an idea of hatred and spreading of pain.  The word isn't the problem, it's the ideas that have been tied to them.  This is very unfortunate but that is our inheritence from our shitty forefathers.  We need to keep that in mind with what we do now as we will be leaving things for the young people of the future such as yourself and your kids some day.  Be cool.  Please just relax and pick another cool name that you feel at home with. Even if you disagree with Saha I hope you can see that he has good intentions and really cares about this place and is trying to do his best to keep this a good place.

 

Keep Calm and Carry On

Edited 22 Mar 2013 by Du5t1n (see edit history)

[Sahaqiel 1232]

This is for archival purposes, so we don't clutter the Pokemon Rumble thread any longer.