Brand new America

[Young Link Addict 67]

Ok. Obama won, and America is screwed. I know it, and everyone at my school knows it. Here's what they say about.

"America is screwed."

"America has been bent over a chair is being f***ed."

<<Very wrong, but said by an upper classman.

"You know what change means?" I forgot what C stood for the the rest was "help a afroman get elected."

As of other raisist comment, and such.

Then religion came in with it, and apparently it says something along the lines of, "A man from the east will come and destroy society," or something like that.

No one at school is happy, and they say he'll be dead by the first week. I don't know aobut that, but that's my schools 2 cents.

[Frost Giant 0]

Is this what the Myans meant for 2012, not an end to life but a new beginning?

But It's in 2012 and thats when the next election is so maybe the next president will make a new beginning.

[Young Link Addict 67]

But It's in 2012 and thats when the next election is so maybe the next president will make a new beginning.

Yes, but the next president in that election will be appointed in January 2013, and the doomsday is suposed to be December 21, 2012. He'll f*** up before he leaves.

[Sahaqiel 1232]

Quite funny, and shows how many peole did vote for him because of race.

And we didn't have people voting for McCain because of his race?

Ok. Obama won, and America is screwed. I know it, and everyone at my school knows it. Here's what they say about.

, etc. etc.

You do not know that America is screwed, and neither does your school. You might think that, but you don't have future-event-forecasts running behind your eyelids.

Just because he was an upperclassmen, it doesn't mean he was more right.

Racist and religious views hold no ground here, and do not predict future events here, or basically anywhere.

Remember what religious people said back near Y2K?

Well, this is what happened here.

We have a socialist governor

We will have a socialist president

We have unborn babies being killed

And to top it all off, we have old people smoking pot. (legally)

Did I miss anything in Michigan?

For the sake of you, you can't even list reasons why a socialist person would be bad for us, nor do you have any grounds in saying Obama is a socialist. We're still capitalist. If we weren't capitalists, then there wouldn't be people with more money to increase taxes upon. :|

Also, you do not know what people go through during pregnancy, and you do not know the situation every pregnant person is in.

And smoking marijuana has been medically legal for awhile now, under certain circumstances.

Personally, I think that both their plans were detrimental. However, Obama's is less, in my opinion.

We spend needlessly on the war; billions of dollars a day.

And people ask where Obama will get the money to fund anything.

Also, I recall a quote about the only true stupidity lying in not trying something else after you've done something over and over.

Seriously, McCain seems like a duplicate Bush, only he doesn't come off as a moron.

Sahaqiel

[Frost Giant 0]

Good point Y. Link Addict, and according to what I've heard we're going to all die from a flood or something on that day.

[Sahaqiel 1232]

The actual theory is that a meteor is heading for us.

But it's mostly conspiracy, so don't take it too seriously.

YLA is probably just going off what his schoolmates say.

Sahaqiel

[Koltem 0]

A redemption?

Oh dear.

Obama, you're gonna mess up the country.

"Bush made it bad!oneityone11!!!1!!!"

Well, Obama's gonna lead us to the Great Depression all over.

[Sahaqiel 1232]

"Bush made it bad!oneityone11!!!1!!!"

Name a few things that Bush did that were good.

Sahaqiel

[Skippy 82]

Yes, I'm sure some people voted for Mccain because of his race, but did they attribute Barack Obama's views to the vote?

If you watch the video, it clearly shows people who have no idea what Obama's politics are, and still voted for him.

Look, i understand that a lot of people want the welth spread, but as somone who will be making above that tax bracket, and having worked damn hard for that manoey, and already being taxed 28%, I can't and will not be able to afford more tax increases, I will be making a lot of money, but will have to pay student loans, house loans, for a family, wages, insurance, car loans, Lease for an office, and all the other costs incorporated with running a physical therapy clinic. It may sound like "Hey, lets tax all those above $250,00" is a good idea, but it's nothing when you look at the cost of running a large company, and will force all those who can't afford it to lay people off, or to close. Raising the unemployment rate, and raising the number of people who need government help. Now, that being said, raising the taxes on the obscenly rich should be done, but it should not be a number pulled out of somones ass, it should be a carefully calculated number, and it should be a percentage, not a sum. Now, I live in missouri, so 250,00 fr an individual for my area is quite a lot, about n the upper 20%. Now look at california or Florida, it might put me in the upper 50-45%. Taxes should be raised, per region, per percentage above the mid-line. And companies should be taxed the same way. A plumbing firm hat makes 250,00 is doing very well, but if say, I open my clinic like I want to, $250,000 will barely cover overhead, much less whges and all that i listed above, much less a massive tax hike. He has some good ideas, but he is still far to liberal, and yes, you can be just as blindly and stupidly liberal as you can be blindly and stupidly as you can be conservative(and both are just as harmful), to realiz that what he wants to do with taxes will do more harm for the people than good. Not to mention that this country does not have the money to cover universal healthcare with a population this large and spread out. But thats neither here nor there.

He Has the potential to do very well, but e has a way to go, the fact is He s not experienced enough to be president, and he has a lot to figure out on the fly now.

Now I'm not saying McCain was perect, or that Bush was a great president, but niether was e the worst, by any stretch. I think that is all for now.

[Young Link Addict 67]

The actual theory is that a meteor is heading for us.

But it's mostly conspiracy, so don't take it too seriously.

YLA is probably just going off what his schoolmates say.

Sahaqiel

Nope, this is my own thought, and my own opinion. I am for sure that Obama will mess up the country.

I'm going to look for a bomb shelter. If he's banning guns then no one is safe because the troops won't have any guns, and we're going to be screwed, and bombed.

[Skippy 82]

Nope, this is my own thought, and my own opinion. I am for sure that Obama will mess up the country.

I'm going to look for a bomb shelter. If he's banning guns then no one is safe because the troops won't have any guns, and we're going to be screwed, and bombed.

It sounds form previous posts like you are following your classmates on this one.

And a gun ban would not work like that. The troops would still have guns, they would just be the ony ones with guns. And that is a horrible Idea in and of itself.

Then again, I am a gun owner, and I like my guns.

Anyway, a ban on guns won't do anything for crime, because most violent crimes are commited with a un that is either stolen or illeagely purchased. Most People who properly buy a regisered firearm, as I have, are smart enough to know that if that weapon is ever used for a crime, it will be traced back to them. If anything, criminals now know that any house they enter is not going to have firearms to protect it.

And you can't say we'll be bombed, a lot of the world is quite happy with Obama because he wants to be friends with everyone.

[Sahaqiel 1232]

I'm going to look for a bomb shelter. If he's banning guns then no one is safe because the troops won't have any guns, and we're going to be screwed, and bombed.

He's not banning guns.

He's putting no restriction on guns for TROOPS, because that would just be stupid.

He's going to try to negotiate with enemy countries, because diplomacy hasn't been a strong point of the US for very long.

Sahaqiel

[Specever 1]

Name a few things that Bush did that were good.

Sahaqiel

I can't

[Chameleon 0]

It may sound like "Hey, lets tax all those above $250,00" is a good idea, but it's nothing when you look at the cost of running a large company, and will force all those who can't afford it to lay people off, or to close. Raising the unemployment rate, and raising the number of people who need government help.

Noooo. It's not the businesses that get taxing

[Skippy 82]

Noooo. It's not the businesses that get taxing – the business owners' personal income will be taxed. I mean, I don't know if that's is plan for sure, but if it was they way you are saying that would just be stupid. Hell, that would be more than stupid. It would be like shooting yourself in the goddamn foot.

His plan will spread the wealth. Taxing the rich will lower the margin between low and high incomes, meaning people can afford mostly the same things. The things that they can no longer afford will have to be brought down in price, which means even more people can afford and purchase these items. Obviously this can be subjective due to production costs – but I don't know alot about that.

The new taxes would get some money!

Actually, yes, he did say that businesses like that would be taxed higher, and quite honestly, what I make I want to keep myself. You want to lower the the margin, give the people jobs. I have no problem helping out people who can't help themselves, but I don't want my hard earned money going to somone who just doen't want to get an education or work. And don't say somone can't get an education, lower education costs, and even if they aren't, there s always a way, if you are willing to work for it. Hell, if all I have to do is get handouts is not work, I'll drp outta school right now and just live of the government, obviusly, though I am physically able and smart enough to suppport myself, I deserve to be given my money, just because I don't have the motivation or willingnes to better myself through hard work.

Let's have an example, on a very small scale, to see redistribution in the works.

On your way to the restauraunt, you see a homeless man, he is able bodied and an alcoholic, after some converation you discover that he dropped outta college because it was tooo much work, and ha been a bum ever since. you walk away.

You go to the restauraunt, and order your food. You are a pain in the butt, require your waiter to work very hard for the pay that he is earning, and at the end you say, "I know that your income depends on these tips that you get, but you make more than the homeless guy outside, so I'm going to give the tip you earned to him instead" (for most servers, their income is about 80% of what they make)

You go outside and give the man the 15% tip of the meal you just had, so now both the hard working waiter and the do-nothing bum have about the same amount of money. (assuming the server is minnimum wage for a service job with tip supplement, about a 2.14/hr)

End example of handouts.

Now, I do believe that we need to increase taxes on a PERCENTAGE of the rich, not anyone who makes above x amount. But that money should be used for programs to get the low income people government sponsered jobs that can help them and society benifit themselves, not just a check thay can use to go spend on materialistic items they don't need.

EXAMPLE TWO

I've long had this idea, if only for my area, to employ low income people who don't have a job or can't have one to rennovate the dillapidated buildings in the area. Most of these are tennant buildings. It would be fairly easy, we bring in trained workers in carpentry, elictrical, plumbers, so on, and train these able bodied people in thos trades. Then we oversee while they rennovate the building and make i liveable, while the government houses them and feeds them, and their family while providing medical coverage. Then allow those people to live in that building and continue work. Also, allow a grant program for these people to go to junior colleges for free, so that they may get scholarships or a will to continue education. We should be empowering the lower classes, finding solutions, not handng out checks.

Oh and, no, new taxes wouldn't, look at canada, their universal healthcare is a financial black hole, and you have to give treatment to people who fake illness just to get beds and food for the night. They have people with real, serious injuries that wait up to 6-8 hours just to get care because docs have to wade through all the crap. You ever wonder why canadians with serious health problems come here and pay cash to get treatment? it's because they can't ge it soon enough there.

Edited 7 Nov 2008 by Skippy (see edit history)