Gender

[Skippy 82]

if you take the dna from an egg cell and stuff it in a sperm (replacing the origional dna, of course), then stuff that with the partner....its possible, i think. you wont get any boys from it though.

It's called haploidisation, and it isn't possible in humans as of yet, there has been some success in mice though. Maybe eventually it will be possible, but don;t look for it in the near future.

As for the article, I have very mixed feelings towards it. The researcher in me wants to see that kid in fifteen years to pick their brain apart to see what happened. Alternatively, the social psychologist in me says that they are setting that child up for a very rough adolescence and more confusion than is necessary in that already confusing time. As a person, I wouldn't personally raise a child that way, my boys would be raised as boys, girls as girls, if it turns out that they are transgendered, gay, or what not then I will work with that. I have a friend whose sister is transgender, they are doing great work with her (in this case, I use her physiological sex as the defining pronoun, as she is prepubescent). However, I believe parents are there to help direct and guide a child's development, and I feel that these parents are decidedly avoiding that to make themselves feel better.

It is somewhat telling that one of their children is clearly already confused about the whole thing.

[Chimetals 344]

I feel like their parenting can go eithier way.

Whether Jazz is the way he is due to his parents or due to genetics is generally unknowable. There are quite a few people, that know from childhood that theyre the wrong sex (girls born as boys and vice versa). Raised as he is, he could simply like girls clothes, and as hes already experiencing being mistaken for a girl, ect, theres a chance he might conform a little, or cut his hair or something, but again, his parents are leaving it up to him.

i also would love to see these three in fifteen years, and see how this atypical parenting works out.

also, gender roles are not universal. if you go to another country, what women are "supposed" to do and what men are "supposed" to do are completely different from any other country. same with the definition of beauty.

also, i want to point out that the "typical" form of parenting in the US, which involves two working parents, cable TV, and several babysitters/daycare is something i consider an abomination to parenting. people raise their children without really interacting with them, and then everyone wonders what went wrong later and why their kid is messed up. i think these three kids might be raised a bit on the sheltered/overprotected side, but i was raised that way too, with strict parents, and i turned out alright. as long as their folks arent disturbed in some way, i think the three kids will have, if nothing else, a better relationship with their parents than most people, and an ok life.

[2356 23]

I looked at it again and I feel like the thing about outside influence is a bit much. I at least hope they don't let their kids become picky... Oh my gawd... Picky...No... My (future)kids cannot afford to be picky...

[Skippy 82]

I feel like their parenting can go eithier way.

Whether Jazz is the way he is due to his parents or due to genetics is generally unknowable. There are quite a few people, that know from childhood that theyre the wrong sex (girls born as boys and vice versa). Raised as he is, he could simply like girls clothes, and as hes already experiencing being mistaken for a girl, ect, theres a chance he might conform a little, or cut his hair or something, but again, his parents are leaving it up to him.

I am, of course, stating theory here, this is one possible situation, I do not know these parents personally, and the article gives limited information, so there's my disclaimer. I would say that these parents are influencing Jazz more than they think they are, by having an outspoken wish to have gender lines blurred and allowing their children to be different, Jazz may feel that he has to do things a certain way. Maybe he likes dressing in girls clothes, but there is a possibility that he does not, but feels subconsciously like his parents want him to. There is a possibility that by not teaching him the gender norms, they have created an artificial feeling of transgenderism by grating their lack of direction with societal norms.

i also would love to see these three in fifteen years, and see how this atypical parenting works out.

I hate to sound callous, but I would love to study them and their social interactions.

also, gender roles are not universal. if you go to another country, what women are "supposed" to do and what men are "supposed" to do are completely different from any other country. same with the definition of beauty.

Yes and no, there are societal differences in some things, but the basic man is provider woman is homemaker has been around since hunter-gatherer times and is relatively universal, not that some groups don;t stray from those norms. Similarly while some parts of beauty may change definitions, there are certain things a heterosexual person will always be attracted to, I.E. Men will always be attracted to big breasted, wide hipped women, women will always be attracted to a physically fit, broad shouldered man. It's encoded into our system to procreate with the physically best and most healthy.

also, i want to point out that the "typical" form of parenting in the US, which involves two working parents, cable TV, and several babysitters/daycare is something i consider an abomination to parenting. people raise their children without really interacting with them, and then everyone wonders what went wrong later and why their kid is messed up. i think these three kids might be raised a bit on the sheltered/overprotected side, but i was raised that way too, with strict parents, and i turned out alright. as long as their folks arent disturbed in some way, i think the three kids will have, if nothing else, a better relationship with their parents than most people, and an ok life.

I agree with that, However, I think there are some issues with these parents, I think that there are some issues with these parents, although being accepting of their children unconditionally is not one of them.

[Aethix 129]

there are certain things a heterosexual person will always be attracted to, I.E. Men will always be attracted to big breasted, wide hipped women, women will always be attracted to a physically fit, broad shouldered man. It's encoded into our system to procreate with the physically best and most healthy.

I wouldn't say always, there are occasional deviations from the norm. For example: I am a heterosexual male, but I don't usually find large-breasted women attractive.

[Skippy 82]

I wouldn't say always, there are occasional deviations from the norm. For example: I am a heterosexual male, but I don't usually find large-breasted women attractive.

True, there are some deviations, and I shouldn't say large breasted, so much as about 36b+, creating the hourglass physique. And this is not meant to be insulting or taken as an insult, most of the deviations come from people who are not the genetic standard, those who are not attracted to the hourglass physique are generally not the muscular broad shouldered type, so on and so forth. Again, there are deviations, one could say that exceptions prove the rules.

[2356 23]

For some reason, I ended up thinking about Jersey shore..

[Cascade 741]

Yeah, reading over ranty post again, the insults were a bit too far. Sorry for being a hissy bitch to you Clark :C

Still stand by what I said, but oh well different opinions are different no need to rage at peoples lol.

[Chimetals 344]

i think what youre attracted to is also influenced by genetics....as always, not 100% but yeah.

for example: i dont see the attraction in wide-shouldered muscular types. then again, i look a lot like my cousin. my *male* cousin. so i tend to partner up with more feminine people.

[Chase 390]

My attractions have definitely changed over the years, so I would have to disagree based on personal experience/preference. I wasn't really born attracted to anyone/anything. As I got older, I kissed my first girl in...1st grade? I think? And that really excited me. So after that I pretty much made it my mission to kiss girls. If you'd asked me about 6 or so years ago if I would like a blowjob I would have said no way. It just wasn't appealing to me. But now, it's awesome. Plus, my taste in porn has changed dramatically. Obviously my mission isn't just about kissing girls anymore, but all of it stemmed from that. If I'd grown up kissing a boy in 1st grade, how would my life be different now?

So I sincerely disagree. I was not born like I am. I was made. But I'm happy the way I am.

[2356 23]

Made...

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Theoretically, that might mean that I should be lesbian.....

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[Chimetals 344]

same theory i should be heterosexual. but then again, my girlfriend kissed better than eithier of my boyfriends sooooooo.....idk.

your case could indeed be conditioning, but being turned on at all is still a biological function in your genes, so saying genes have no involvement at all is a tad off, but w/e

this is basically how nature vs nurture gets mixed, as you can never really separate the two.

Theoretically, that might mean that I should be lesbian.....

i can never really ask about these things when i meet people....orz

[2356 23]

(Off the record, why don't I hear anything about your girlfriend(s), Yoshia?)

i can never really ask about these things when i meet people....orz

Did you think I was...?

[Chimetals 344]

1--paranoia of 'phobes

2--i generally assume straight until someone eithier A) says something about their preferences or B ) i see them making out with their own gender (and even then, id list em as "bi maybe gay")

basically, i have no radar for that sort of thing, or any sort of relationship radar at all....

prime example: how my girlfriend asked me out: we played "guess who twinny's crush is!" till she kissed me in the changing room (we were at a pool) then said something like "whats your guess NOW--?"

seriously, as far as relationships go, i have to be beaten violently over the head to get it, and any indirect signals get--

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this is so insanely off topic howthehelldidthishappen?!

ohright, FPD.

[Ghost Princess 0]

I like blue, does that mean I'm a guy? I wear pants and shirts from old Navy but like last night when I took that usual shower I'm pretty sure I still register as a female. In my opinion. A guy can be as gay as gay could get but as long as he still has the package, he is a MAN. What you like doesn't change your gender. I freely call myself a tomboy but I'm obviously not a MALE.

People are stupid. YOUR SEX. MALE/FEMALE is only assigned by WHAT you have in your pants. Not by what you wear, do and or LIKE. Period.

Of course this is my opinion but honestly? Anyone who thinks certain things like colors apply to gender and or sets a gender for you needs to have their brian checked. Bad.

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Also, these parents are weirdos. Sure, a guy wearing pink doesn't seem weird to me as I don't assign color to gender. In germany, blue was a girls color and a light pinkish red was the boys color. But doing experiments with your kids? Get out. Changing genders what?

Hey, I have nothing against gays and trannys but this is just freaking gross. I nearly got sick just reading the article. I feel sorry for these kids